Tech It or Leave It
"Tech It or Leave It" is the go-to podcast for non-tech entrepreneurs who want to turn million-dollar app ideas into reality. Without getting lost in all the tech jargon. Hosted by Adrian Ching, founder of Upstack Studio, one of Malaysia’s top web & mobile app development agencies.
This show breaks down app development, startup growth, and the wild world of business in a way that’s fun, relatable, and brutally honest. It’s all about leveling the playing field for non-technical entrepreneurs and helping them build impactful, modern tech solutions.
Every episode features different guests; from founders who’ve already leveraged tech in their industries, to entrepreneurs still figuring it out. Some are crushing it with AI, SaaS, or even micro-SaaS products, and we’re bringing them in to share their stories, insights, and ideas on how tech can make business better.
Expect real talk, no-BS advice, and insights from Adrian’s 8+ years of experience helping non-tech founders build million-dollar apps that raise funds, boost profits, and scale fast. Plus, stories of what actually works (and what doesn’t) when building apps in today’s market.
"Tech It or Leave It" is for tech-curious entrepreneurs, founders, and business owners looking to turn their app ideas into successful ventures.
Whether you're a founder, a business owner, or just someone sitting on a game-changing idea, this podcast will help you navigate the process, avoid costly mistakes, and build something people actually want.
Here’s what you’ll get:
📈 Weekly tips on app development, startups, and business strategies
💡 Real-world education on tackling tech challenges
🚀 Insights to build scalable, profitable apps using tools like AI, SaaS & micro-SaaS
Tech It or Leave It
Tech It From Me - What Founders REALLY Want to Know (I Answer Everything)
Use Left/Right to seek, Home/End to jump to start or end. Hold shift to jump forward or backward.
I know what’s on your mind…
If you’re a non-technical founder, you’ve probably asked yourself questions like:
“How do i make money with my app?”
“Which no-code tool should I start with?”
“Why should I hire an app agency when I can pay a freelancer for a cheaper price?”
You’re not alone. In fact, these are the same questions EVERY founder secretly has but rarely gets straight answers to.
That’s why in the very first episode of Adrian Answers, I sit down to answer them. Honestly, unfiltered, and without the jargon.
In this episode, I answered questions on:
➡️ The REAL reason most apps lose users (and how to fix it)
➡️ How to monetize smarter without copying others blindly
➡️ The risks of Fiverr devs no one tells you about
➡️ Where no-code actually works in 2025 (and where it doesn’t)
➡️ How to use AI to validate your app idea
👉 Listen to the full episode now!
🎙️ More from Adrian & Upstack Studio
Website: https://upstackstudio.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adrianchinghc
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@adrianchinghc
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adrianchinghc
Welcome to the first episode of "Adrian Answers," where I tackle your burning questions about building apps, business, and everything in between. These are real questions we've gathered from our social platforms, so let's get to it.
First, we have "I Aishek Official." "Hey, Adrian, great video, really got me thinking about simple solutions. Many simple apps gain traction quickly, but struggle with long-term retention. What strategies do you think are most effective for ensuring these types of apps remain relevant and valuable to users over time, especially as new technologies and trends emerge?"
Great question. I think a lot of apps, a lot of software, a lot of startups don't really retain their users, especially when they are building very complex solutions that don't really solve the problem of the user or their target users, right? So I will not be talking about this from the perspective of what tips and tricks you can use in order to retain your users, but I will stick back to the core concepts that you need to know, right? Which is going back to what problems are you trying to solve for your users? How are you helping them solve the problem in the simplest possible way where you are able to elicit this feeling or emotion that the user feels as they look at the solution? They feel like, "Oh, I need this!" When you have something like this, where you're solving a core problem, a really painful problem, users will be throwing money at you. So answer the question of what's in it for the user to use your application, right? So that's how you can really, really retain, really, really keep your users using your application. So back to user retention, right? Long-term retention, because you can use whatever tips and tricks or hacks out there that can help you with the UI and UX to retain users, but ultimately, if it doesn't solve their problem, their issues, you still get the same issue, right? So that's the first question. Let's go to the next one.
"One, two, three Accomm." "Since you talked about messaging platforms, according to you, what is the best way to monetize if you create one?"
This goes into monetization. We do have a video on that on YouTube, so we'll probably link to it in the description or in the comments, right? So feel free to check that out, or in our show notes. So what I would do in terms of messaging platforms? So there are multiple different ways to kind of do it, right? Of course, first of all, we have, I mean, we can just refer to basically the biggest messaging platforms in the world, right? We have WhatsApp, we have Telegram, right? The likes of these sort of applications. How do they monetize, right? The easiest way to look at it is let's say, for example, on WhatsApp, WhatsApp is free to use. Yes, but where they may earn money from is basically allowing businesses to subscribe to WhatsApp Business accounts where they charge you for the API calls, where they charge you for the accounts and whatnot, right? So that's basically how you can monetize, one way to monetize messaging platforms, right? But of course, you can come up with different, different types of monetization depending on what type of users you are targeting. So messaging platform is pretty general, I would say. So I think ultimately it goes back to who are you serving? What do they need, and how can you creatively monetize the platform rather than just blindly following what other people are doing? But you can take inspiration from these platforms that are already doing it really well. I think the B2B model of WhatsApp is doing really well for them, so definitely look into something like that.
All right. Next, we have MT01. "I'm looking at starting an ad tech app. Due to low funds, I'm sourcing from Fiverr." Well, I'm not too sure about that. So you might want to be careful with that. "What would you advise, bro? I need to consult you for ideas before moving ahead."
I am not sure what you want me to advise on, whether it's a good idea that you source from Fiverr. I think it is definitely a viable platform for you to get developers, but you need to be really, really careful when you are filtering developers from there. There's just a lot of developers out there, right? And you will never know who you're hiring until you actually have gone through all of their applications and really, really filtered them according to your requirements. So ultimately, it's all back to how you are filtering them, how you're interviewing them, how you are checking their references of their past projects, right? But ultimately, if let's say you are still non-technical, then there's still a lot of things that you wouldn't know behind the scene. How are they doing their work, right? Right. So that's really tough if let's say you are a non-technical founder. And if possible, try to get someone among your friends, maybe, or even a CTO or, you know, whoever that you know you can actually kind of work together with that is technical so that he or she can help you with vetting these developers. So that would be the advice that I will give you. But another way to approach this is essentially raise funds. You mentioned you have low funds. So if let's say the idea is viable, you really, truly believe in the idea, then go ahead and raise funding so that you'll be able to approach this in a different way, so that you don't actually need to go through platforms like Fiverr, right? Maybe if let's say you raise enough funding, you'll be able to go direct to I don't know, agencies or something like that, right?
Okay, cool. Next, "Hi Adrian, great video. Quick, how do you know how much money these SaaS make? Is there a software you use to tell the amount of revenue they generate?"
No, there's no. So I think a lot of these, I believe this comes from one of the SaaS ideas we use. So a lot of these are either we have found information that the founders shared in terms of how much revenue are they making, or it could be just a smart guess, right? From us in terms of how much revenue are they doing, looking at what are they doing, what is their pricing plan, and then make a smart guess in terms of how many users they have or potentially be able to convert how many users based on their traffic. Right? So it's really just, you know, this is not exact amount, right? This would be just smart guesses in terms of revenue.
All right. Next, "Hey Adrian, big fan of your stuff here. I'm looking into starting my no-code journey from scratch. I have a career in tech sales and want to start putting my ideas into reality as a side hobby or hustle that could potentially become a business venture or startup. I've been checking most of your videos and with that, I would love to know your input on what would be the best no-code tool that would be worth putting my time into. I have a natural inclination to enjoy design and visual on the front end, so I thought of learning Webflow first and then learning ways to convert that into an app with something like Wise Plus Xano or Superbase Text. However, I'm seeing a lot of positive mention towards Webflow even within your video. Should I forget about Webflow altogether and go straight to something like Webflow?"
I think ultimately this depends on what is your goal, right? You mentioned you wanted to go into no-code, turn this into a side hobby or hustle that could potentially become a business venture, but I'm not sure if you would like to build applications or are you planning to build websites, right? So if, let's say, for me, for me, when it comes to Webflow, I would probably lean more towards that it's a tool for you to build websites, right? Of course, you know, there are probably tools within Webflow that you can use and something like or waste that we covered before, right? To build applications, right? Pairing it with Xano and and Superbase. But I would say that is that would not be my choice, right? Because I think there are way more specialized tools that you can use to build something of, you know, closer to an application rather than a website. I will probably focus more on Webflow if I'm planning to build websites only, right? And if, let's say, we are talking about building applications for web, we would probably go with WeWeb for the front end. Bubble would be one of them. Momentum for web application and then FlutterFlow for mobile application. So those will be the tools that I would recommend. It's all in my no-code tools video, so feel free to check them out as well. We'll link to it in the show notes or the comments.
All right. So next, "I'm a non-technical co-founder in a unicorn SaaS space with zero direct competition." Oh, interesting. How do you know that? "And only minor indirect competition and couldn't find a technical co-founder. So I'm building it in FlutterFlow. I tried to learn coding, but I hate math." Well, who doesn't hate math? "And my brain did not enjoy it. So I'm trying to build as much of my MVP as I can in FlutterFlow instead. Then maybe I can hire a dev to help me with anything that I get